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Natural (infection) vs vaccine immunity in young children
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Hi all, I was fixated to the Covid discussion on TheCardBoard and when it moved over here I failed to migrate as I was dealing with Covid-19 issues in my work. I run a small k-12 school like community in Texas. I feel that as of July I was pretty on top of all the latest developments and that we had a superior plan for our education community coming into the year.

Recently, the parent of one of our young people has been challenging our approach to vaccines for the under 12 crowd. We have a risk basked process for bringing folks indoors and at the current rate of spread only vaccinated kids can come indoors. I was wondering if anyone can point me to discussions on the debate over vaccines for children under the age of 12. Else, if anyone has time, I would love to hear what you think (with resources or studies if immediately on hand) to some of the points he has raised in the email he just sent me pasted below:


Quote:I don’t mean to speak for my doctor; this is only my takeaway. 


He sees no reason to vaccinate [name] at this time.  He is supportive of vaccination in those without previous infection. 

He claimed there are over 90 studies contradicting the CDCs recent statement that vaccination is superior to prior infection and therefore he is entirely comfortable with [name's] current level of immunity.  

He said that, in adults, he sees a medical advantage to one dose of the vaccine in the previously infected. 

According to his research the one dose offers added immunity, and the second dose seems to not be able to have a significant impact. 

He seems to think that covid vaccination will remain totally unnecessary for previously infected 5-11 year olds.  

He feels that for those with obvious strong risk factors and those that had a severe initial infection, a case by case determination is warranted.  

He did write us a letter that says something like: vaccination is not medically indicated at this time and [name] has immunity making him clear for school, travel, etc…

For the moment we are following his lead on this.  

To further clarify my own assessment of the current data:

My problem with many publicized studies is they are using correlation as proof of causation. This approach dismisses many variables, including lifestyle. 

I wonder if the previously infected were less protected from Covid due to the lack of vaccine, or were they a section of society that was less careful?

In the Israel study, was there cultural shame on the previously infected? Were they more careful after their infection?  

The studies are likely not objectively able to fully address such questions.

In The States I suspect those who were both previously infected and unvaccinated were exceptionally careless about their exposure.  

I believe that this type of data limitation could explain the range of findings.  Infinite variables could be at play when trying to use correlation to prove causation.  

Correlation studies obviously have a place in science; overwhelming consistency is not to be discarded, but in this situation I think it is also necessary to look at studies that investigate the nuts and bolts of the typical immune response. 

I have not kept a reference list, but over the recent weeks I have read quite a few articles and studies that came across as conclusive about observable indicators of a robust, effective, and long term immune response in even very mild cases of previously infected. (The cdc study I keep referring to was peculiar in limiting their correlation statistics to only the hospitalized. Seems counting how many people stayed out of the hospital would also be a relevant metric)

My personal assessment so far, based on my inquiry, is that natural infection is slightly superior to vaccination.



Our approach has not been focused on risk to the young people alone, although we don't want kids getting infected at all given unknown longer term complications to the disease, but more so the risk of spread within our community and then outward into the broader local communities. So even if everything he says in the email is directionally correct, we are still thinking about people beyond the child in question. Nonetheless, any suggestions on where to look for information that would be more efficient than me doing a bunch of random searches would be super helpful. 

Apologies for rambling, and thank you.
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Natural (infection) vs vaccine immunity in young children - by NoGoldenCalves - 11-12-2021, 07:08 AM

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